Lindsay Jackel aka Tom Knoll

It seems Knoll is a family name:



Lindsay Jackel
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More options Feb 14 1996, 6:00 pm
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.german
From: jac...@melbpc.org.au (Lindsay Jackel)
Date: 1996/02/14
Subject: Surname: JACKEL / JAEKEL / JAECKEL etc.
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I am seeking to find out as much as I can about my German ancestors who came to Australia (state of South Australia - Barossa Valley) in the 1840s and then moved over to Melbourne in the state of Victoria, Australia.
Do you know anything of the origin of the name or its meaning?
It originally had an umlaut above the "a".
Do you know why they would have left Germany ('ost prussen'?) at that time?
Carl Erdmann Jackel arrived in South Australia with his wife Johanna (nee BLEICHER) and children Hermann and Auguste.
Thank you, Lindsay Jackel ...@melbpc.org.au>
PS I am also interested in the name KNOLL from Wurtenburg (?). ,-._\ Lindsay Jackel / Oz \ ...@melbpc.org.au> \_,--.x/ Locked Bag 5661 Melbourne Vic Australia 8100

Proof of Lindsay Jackel's involvement with Black Shirts

Here is a proven link from the Black Shirts to the Shared Parenting Council of Australia.
Lindsay Jackel is Victorian president of the Shared Parenting Council of Australia.
We believe that Lindsay Jackel was involved with the Black Shirts a militant and fanatical group terrorising women in Victoria. Here is proof that he had some involvement with them. Manumit is an alias of Lindsay Jackel's.
And what does "Martyr to the cause" mean exactly???



-----Original Message-----
From: Manumit Exchange [mailto:manumit@...]
Sent: 26 July 2002 17:41
To: Manumit Exchange
Cc: jeffface@...; fried@...
Subject: (AUS) Blackshirts


"Some of you may have already heard a little about this group. Below is a
composite of various articles about the Blackshirt group in Melbourne,
Victoria, Australia, fwd fyi by way of background.

Additionally, several associated articles follow, and are in turn followed
by various commentary.

The group is organised and in your face. They are Dads who have lost
everything, have received no justice or fairness at the hand of a feminist
(family and magistrates) court and legal (government) system (when they
were taught in school that they would if innocent), have nothing to lose
and are frustrated and angry. Their hopelessness has turned to despair and
to depression. The Blackshirts offers them community and hope.

John Abbott, their leader, is known to me. He is both angry and committed.
He will not be deterred and, if necessary, will no doubt be prepared to be
a "martyr" to the cause.

---

Victoria is a southern state of Australia.
Melbourne is the capital city of Victoria."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/euro-dads/message/7976

MIchael Green says silly and ill conceived strategies not tolerated.

globalman
	Posted Today, 09:12 AM #26108
Points: 1,600 Joined: 08 January, 2008, 12:48 AM Primary group: Master_Editor ','auto','http://www.familylawwebguide.com.au/themes/default/images/forum_navigation/members.png');" class="ocf_poster_member">Sisyphus Master Editor	Marker globalman was typical of the dogmatic types that occasionally arrive on this site. They find the FLWG and immediately realise they have a very large audience to propagate their strange political, legal and religious views and blast away without any care. His ideas and strategies were at total variance with accepted norms both in society and the Courts. Suggesting silly and ill conceived strategies that would lead others into making fools of themselves in Court is not tolerated on this site. Globalman has claimed a dubious record on this site. 12 posts in less than 24 hours, the majority of which were removed by the moderators. He also received 8 warnings in less than 12 hours which is another record. Faced with an additional avalanche of moderator warnings and complaints by members of the FLWG his membership on this site was terminated. FLWG and the moderators respect the right of robust comment and discussion but it will not allow fools and charlatans to peddle their wares. Senior Site Moderator and Administrator

WE applaud this move and now expect Michael Green/Agog/Sisyphus to remove all references endorsing Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS) made by Lindsay Jackel/Matrix/Dad4life and Wayne Butler/Oneringrules from www.familylawwebguide.com.au. As proven, PAS is a junk science and is pushed as a tool by men seeking to disguise their abuse of families. It was named by Richard Gardner a pro pedophile self publishing doctor who committed suicide by disembowelling himself in his kitchen (as if that guy didn't have some serious shit going down.)

Lies lies lies from Familylawwebguide

From Familylawwebguide...
"Applications are considered by the SRL-R Execs and not the site moderators. " in response to a post by MOOT as to why he wasn't being let in the door to SRL hallowed ground.

Hahahaha The Site Moderators and the controlling members of SRL are one and the same...Michael Green, Wayne Butler, Lindsay Jackel et al and all the Shared Parenting gang.
Why you keep peddling the same old bullshit that they are all separate entities is laughable as no-one is buying that garbage anymore?

SPCA condone Traumatising child by Jailing mother

http://www.familylawwebguide.com.au/forum/pg/topicview/misc/3926/index.php&start=0#first_unread

Lindsay Jackel thinks it's ok to traumatise a child by jailing the mother (not that we condone what the mother did ) to teach other parents a lesson?
This is child abuse committed in public!!!

How about we jail parents for failing to pay child support like they do in the US?

Lindsay Jackel Supports Black Shirts

The Black Shirts were a so called Fathers Rights crackpot group originating out of Melbourne Victoria (also where Lindsay Jackel lives) and decided to run a terror campaign of stalking and harassment against any women they heard had left her husband. The leader John Abbott was found guilty in court. They were exposed as a crank group and a simple Google search will reveal the lack of mental stability for anyone involved in the group.

Here Lindsay Jackel, Victorian Director of the Shared Parenting Council, executive of SRL and Dads On the Air makes a post on DOTA forum supporting the stance of the BLACK SHIRTS.

"Perhaps her face was blocked out because she was incapable of taking the smirk of triumph off her face.
I wonder if she was the one filmed throwing the bucket of, hopefully, water over the Blackshirts?
As if the son has really endured three years of fear from these men in black. I hope he hasn't been exposed to Men in Black I and II or both the female protagonists in the Alien series.
I also hope she is not going to spend any of the interview money sending him off to see Predator vs. Alien.
Such a delicate little soul with such a frail looking mother. "

Note his callous comments about the affected child and his mother who had been terrorised by this group.

We wonder if Lindsay Jackel was actually a member of the Black Shirts as he was already living in Melbourne and research available on the internet proves that he was a militant supporter of mens rights and now to find public support for the Black Shirts? Is this coincidental? Another coincidence is that an ally of the Shared Parenting Council of Australia is The Richard Hillman Foundation. John Abbott is now a member.

"http://forum.dadsontheair.com/viewtopic.php?t=1085&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Lindsay Jackel Airing his dirty Laundry in Public

Lindsay Jackel wrote in a submission to the Government:

"It is wrongly claimed that because a father may not agree with a mother that he will abuse his children. This is not true. Children are safer with their separated fathers than with their separated mothers. There is an increased risk of hurt and harm for children living with separated mothers, both from the mother herself and form her current partner. This risk is greater than if they were living with their father and his new partner. One of the writers of this submission has firsthand knowledge of this, with his 13 year old daughter being slapped by the mother’s female partner, resulting in the father being called to come and remove the daughter from that explosive situation until it was safe for her to return to be with her mother."


It is a pity Lindsay Jackel did not have an Anti Denigration Clause added into his parenting Agreement to speak respectfully of his childs mother. (He changed the names from Lindsay and Susan in an attempt to disguise that it was his Parenting Plan that he wrote. It reveals a very controlling person.) Jackel has been spouting this plan around the Mens Rights groups for many years. Jackels daughter has Aspergers. Jackel has also witten several very spiteful things about his ex wife and posted her personal information on various Christian, Mens Rights and homosexual forums, including the fact that she ran off with another woman.

FAMILY LAW ACT 1975
IN THE FAMILY COURT OF AUSTRALIA
AT SYDNEY No. SY 1234 of 1997
IN THE MARRIAGE OF:
DANIEL PETER JONES and VANESSA LEE JONES
(Husband/Father) (Wife/Mother)
Address for Service: Address for Service:
17 Botanic Grove 13 High Street
Waverley Epping
New South Wales 3150 New South Wales 3150
Telephone: 9123 1234 Telephone: 9987 9876
PARENTING PLAN
This Parenting Plan will operate for the benefit and in the best interests of the only child of the marriage of Daniel Peter Jones and Vanessa Lee Jones:
Mary Elizabeth Jones
born on 28 March 1989.
PARENTING PLAN
By consent the parties agree:
Introduction
a. That Mary Elizabeth Jones (Mary), born 28 March 1989, has a right to enjoy the love, care and affection of both her mother and her father and to experience this in equal time spent with each of them; and
b. That this will contribute to the maintenance and enhancement of Mary's self-esteem, social development, academic performance, Christian faith, personal empowerment, adjustment to and satisfaction with life, the management and treatment of her diagnosed condition of Asperger's Syndrome, and the development of positive and realistic interactions with both parents and the like.
1. Residence/Residence
a. That the daughter of the marriage of Daniel Peter Jones and Vanessa Lee Jones, Mary Elizabeth Jones (Mary), born 19 February 1990, reside alternately, one week with Daniel and one week with Vanessa;
b. That the commencement of each week (of residency) start on the Friday afternoon after school at the River Valley Primary School (No. 1234), Whites Lane, Riverview, New South Wales, with the residential parent meeting Mary at either her classroom at 3:30pm or subsequently at the After School program prior to 6:00pm;
c. Where 'residential parent' is defined as "the parent with whom Mary is currently residing in terms of this parenting plan, particularly in relation to the alternate weekly residence" and 'non-residential parent' is defined as "the parent with whom Mary is not currently residing in terms of this agreement, particularly in relation to the alternate weekly residence";
d. That a diary be jointly purchased, by Daniel and Vanessa, and used to maintain a record and notice of Mary's residency, activities, commitments, health and the like, and that that diary accompany Mary between her two homes;
e. That Mary not reside for more than two days with a third party on behalf of either Vanessa or Daniel without the consent of the other parent, except in the case of a legally married spouse of either Daniel or Vanessa, in accord with the Marriage Act 1961 of the Commonwealth of Australia as amended, or as otherwise agreed for contact as specified in this parenting plan;
f. That in the event of the death of both Daniel and Vanessa, it is intended that Mary reside with the family of one of Daniel's brothers (Alan Samuel Jones or Andrew Ross Jones) in the order outlined in this paragraph or as otherwise determined by them, and after consultation with Mary and due regard for her stated wishes, and that Mary not be excluded from contact with her maternal family;
g. That there be scope for variation of Mary's time residing with either parent following agreement (preferably written agreement but not limited to written agreement) between both parents, and allowance for flexibility and goodwill in living arrangements, in order to maximise the attainment of Mary's best interests, on such other terms as agreed between both parents; and
h. That this residency order commence on or before, but no later than, the afternoon of Friday 25 April 1997, with Mary residing with Vanessa for the week so commencing.
2. Residence/Contact
a. That Mary reside alternately, one week with Daniel and one week with Vanessa, and have contact with the non-residential parent during the course of each week to allow for her participation in ongoing activities and arrangements, both current and new (such as swimming lessons, German language classes, family, social, music and sporting activities and the like);
b. That the non-residential parent be entitled to be the primary provider of childcare for Mary, and be primarily offered the first option to care for her, when the
residential parent requires care for her at any time, particularly in respect to occasions requiring overnight stays;
c. That both Vanessa and Daniel encourage and facilitate Mary's contact with the non-residential parent via telephone calls, written correspondence, occasional non-scheduled visits and the like on a regular basis, and that each parent may initiate reasonable such contact with Mary;
d. That Mary have contact with each parent for half of each school term holiday period and for half of the Christmas school holiday period of each year, subject to paragraphs (e) and (f) below, or other such arrangements as agreed between both parents;
e. That Mary have contact with both Daniel and Vanessa on Christmas day for half a day each, with Mary spending the Christmas morning of 1997 with Vanessa and the afternoon with Daniel (with a change over at 2pm, or as agreed), and alternately in subsequent years, or other such arrangements as agreed between both parents;
f. That Mary continue contact with her paternal grandparents (Peter James Jones and May Alice Jones, who currently reside on a farm at Bathurst, New South Wales) for a period of one week over the Christmas school holidays of each year, or other such arrangements as agreed between both parents;
g. That Mary have contact with her maternal grandparents (Patricia Robyn Newman and Richard Henry Newman who reside in Epping, New South Wales) via ongoing and regular short term visits whilst with the residential parent, and that these visits include no more than seven full nights of residential care with them, either in their domicile or any other domicile, except as agreed otherwise after discussion between both parents;
h. That consideration be given for Mary to have contact with the families of her cousins during school holidays, and at other times, as determined from time-to-time by the agreement of both parents;
i. That consideration be given for Mary to attend camps during school holidays, and at other times, as determined from time-to-time by the agreement of both parents;
j. That in the event of Mary's birthday occurring whilst she is residing with Vanessa then she shall, if her birthday occurs on a school day, spend three hours after school with Daniel, or, if her birthday occurs on a weekend or holiday, spend the morning with Daniel, or such other amount of time as agreed by Daniel and Vanessa. Wherever practicable a joint birthday celebration shall be organised at which both parents can attend and participate;
k. That in the event of Mary's birthday occurring whilst she is residing with Daniel then she shall, if her birthday occurs on a school day, spend three hours after school with Vanessa, or, if her birthday occurs on a weekend or holiday, spend the morning with Vanessa, or such other amount of time as agreed by Vanessa and Daniel. Wherever practicable a joint birthday celebration shall be organised at which both parents can attend and participate;
l. That Mary shall spend a minimum of three hours with Daniel, or such other amount of time as agreed by Daniel and Vanessa, when Daniel's birthday occurs whilst Mary is residing with Vanessa, and that Daniel shall meet and return with Mary to Vanessa;
m. That Mary shall spend a minimum of three hours with Vanessa, or such other amount of time as agreed by Vanessa and Daniel, when Vanessa's birthday occurs whilst Mary is residing with Daniel, and that Vanessa shall meet and return with Mary to Daniel;
n. That Mary shall spend time with Vanessa on Mother's Day from 10:00am until 5:00pm, or such other amount of time as agreed between Vanessa and Daniel, and that if Mary is residing with Daniel, Vanessa shall meet and return her to Daniel;
o. That Mary shall spend time with Daniel on Father's Day from 10:00am until 5:00pm, or such other amount of time as agreed between Daniel and Vanessa and that if Mary is residing with Vanessa, Daniel shall meet and return her to Vanessa;
p. That travelling for the purposes of contact be shared equally between Vanessa and Daniel, and that in situations of both regular and ad hoc contact that this be primarily on the basis of the non-residential parent seeking contact being responsible for meeting and returning with Mary at the home of the residential parent, with, for example, Daniel returning Mary to Vanessa's residence on the Monday evening of Mary's residence with Vanessa, after German language
classes, and Vanessa returning Mary to Daniel's residence on the Thursday evening of Mary's residence with Daniel, after swimming lessons, or otherwise as agreed;
q. That in the event of illness and/or medical treatment of Mary, Daniel or Vanessa that Mary’s place of residence be varied by agreement between Vanessa and Daniel to flexibly manage the situation for Mary's best interests;
r. That consideration and allowance be made, as agreed by Vanessa and Daniel, for Mary to have contact on public holidays (eg. Australia Day, Moomba, Anzac Day, etc. commemorations and celebrations), Show Days and the like, with either or both parents, flexibly for varying amounts of time, regardless of residency, allowing for, but not mandating, joint participation of both Daniel and Vanessa, and for ad hoc contact for special days and events, and family, party, and social activities and outings of either Vanessa or Daniel;
s. That allowance be made, by prior agreement, for Mary to spend compensatory contact time with one parent in situations where she has spent additional time with the other parent; and
t. That contact be exercised equally, flexibly and with goodwill overall, and at such other times and on such other terms as agreed between both parents.
3. Specific Issues
a. That Mary reside alternately, one week with Daniel and one week with Vanessa, and that Vanessa and Daniel share joint responsibility for decisions involving Mary's long term care, welfare and development;
b. That Daniel, in consultation with Vanessa, as required, have responsibility for the daily care, health and welfare, development of Mary during periods in which she is in his care;
c. That Vanessa, in consultation with Daniel, as required, have responsibility for the daily care, health and welfare, development of Mary during periods in which she is in her care;
d. That Daniel and Vanessa participate in and share equally and flexibly Mary's activities, in particular her health and schooling activities and programs, including her appointments with medical practitioners, dentists, counsellors and the like;
e. That both Daniel and Vanessa be informed of all matters of Mary's care, welfare and development, including such matters as friendships and social activities, church attendance and religious activity, education, extra-curricular activities (such music, language and swimming) health and wellbeing and the like, and have the opportunity to maintain an active involvement and ongoing role in caring for Mary, particularly in regard to her diagnosed condition of Asperger's Syndrome, or other such diagnoses as from time-to-time may be under consideration and in view;
f. That both Vanessa and Daniel encourage and facilitate Mary's contact with the non-residential parent via telephone calls, written correspondence and the like on a regular basis, and that each parent may initiate reasonable such contact with Mary;
g. That both Vanessa and Daniel be informed of, and have the opportunity to attend and participate in, the Program Support meetings conducted at Mary's school;
h. That the non-residential parent be entitled to be the primary provider of childcare for Mary, and be primarily offered the first option to care for her, when the residential parent requires care for her at any time, particularly in respect to occasions requiring overnight stays;
i. That both Vanessa and Daniel will keep each other informed (via the diary specified earlier in this document) of significant events occurring in Mary's life, in particular family, social, academic, health and medical, church, musical, sporting and the like;
j. That Mary continue to attend, with each parent, a Christian church on Sunday morning and, if either parent is unable or unwilling to continue doing so, either in the short or the long term, then that non-attending parent will make arrangements for Mary to attend a Christian church with the other parent on the Sunday morning when Mary is residing with the non-attending parent;
k. That changes of Christian belief and Christian church attendance, involving Mary, only occur after joint parental consultation and agreement, in writing, between both parents;
l. That no major medical procedures or operations be undertaken in relation to Mary without joint parental consent, unless in the case of an emergency requiring immediate treatment (within 3 hours), as advised by a legally qualified medical practitioner, and that all reasonable efforts be made to contact the other parent;
m. That Mary be permitted to attend the funerals of her close relatives, such as her grandparents (including her great grandmother), parents, uncles, aunts and cousins as a matter of course, and of her wider family, such has her parents' uncles, aunts and cousins by agreement between both parents;
n. That Mary continue to attend the River Valley Primary School until the completion of Year 6 at the end of 2001, with any variation occurring only after Daniel and Vanessa have jointly discussed, agreed and affirmed their written consent to the change;
o. That neither Daniel nor Vanessa relocate residence, in as far as this affects where Mary will reside and attend school, outside the Sydney metropolitan area or a distance of greater than thirty kilometres or thirty minutes travelling time in typical weekday non-peakhour traffic - whichever is the lesser, without providing the other parent with three months prior notice, unless the moving parent undertake and fulfil all transport for the purposes of residency and contact of Mary to the non-moving parent, so that neither Mary nor the non-moving parent are disadvantaged, unless otherwise agreed to and affirmed by the written consent of both parents;
p. That each parent inform the other, by providing the details, of changes of address and telephone number within 48 hours of such changes that affect where Mary resides and can be met for and returned from contact visits and contacted by mail and telephone;
q. That no significant costs or fees be entered into that would be the responsibility of the other parent, either in part or in whole, without the written consent of the other parent;
r. That Mary's full name shall not be changed, either by common usage or legally, without Mary's agreement and the written consent of both Daniel and Vanessa, or until the attainment of Mary's eighteenth birthday;
s. That Mary not be adopted by another person associated with either parent, nor anyone else, while both parents are living;
t. That neither Daniel nor Vanessa take Mary out of the State of New South Wales without prior consultation and the consent of the other parent;
u. That neither Vanessa nor Daniel seek to obtain a passport for Mary, nor take her out of Australia, without prior consultation and the written agreement of the other parent;
v. That both Daniel and Vanessa have equal entitlement to and share all originals and copies of Mary's achievement, educational, medical and other similar certificates, reports, school photographs and the like, with copies being made for the other parent where the original is held and, if any dispute arises relating to the location and ownership of such items, that a third person (such as a solicitor or trusted mutual person) hold them in trust for Mary until she is twenty one years of age, whilst allowing necessary access to both parents;
w. That both Vanessa and Daniel agree to speak respectfully of one another with Mary, to encourage her to understand that both her parents love her and to not discuss parental relationship issues with her, without the prior agreement of both parents, and that if there are such issues, both parents attend joint counselling with the aim of resolving the issues in Mary's best interests, either with a mutually agreed counsellor or otherwise as directed by the Family Court of Australia;
x. That in the event that issues arise concerning either parent's lifestyle, parenting style or other parent-related factors which may be detrimental to Mary's best interests that, after initial joint discussion, both parents attend joint counselling with the aim of resolving the issues in Mary's best interests, either with a mutually agreed counsellor or otherwise as directed by the Family Court of Australia; and
y. That specific issues be exercised equally, flexibly and with goodwill overall, and on such other issues and on such other terms as agreed between both parents.
4. Financial Issues
a. That Mary's day-to-day expenses for clothing and footwear, primary school education, (including Before and After School Childcare, with these childcare costs subject to review and negotiated and agreed change should the circumstances of either party change), extracurricular tuition (such as piano and swimming lessons), medical, dental and counselling, social activities (such as outings, parties and presents) and the like be shared equally by both Daniel and Vanessa and paid for jointly, with consideration made for any child support paid by either parent (as outlined in paragraph (b) below), and that such expenditure be discussed and agreed beforehand, as much as is practicable, or such other similar arrangements, as discussed and agreed in writing, as from time-to-time shall come into existence and operate for Mary's provision and welfare;
b. That where child support is paid by either Vanessa or Daniel, on Mary's behalf, either through the Child Support Agency or otherwise, and received from the Department of Social Security or otherwise, these monies shall, in proportion, be first used to pay the day-to-day expenses outlined in paragraph (a) above, and then any other expenses incurred for Mary's provision and welfare;
c. That, whilst Mary is eligible for a Child Disability Allowance, both Daniel and Vanessa have access to the Department of Social Security Health Care card issued on Mary's behalf, for the purpose of medical matters (eg. consultations, prescriptions, etc.) and to the funds, where required, for issues relating to Mary's health and welfare (eg. specialist appointments, counselling, etc.), and that equal sharing of any similar allowances or benefits occur as and when they are operable; and
d. That financial issues be considered and exercised with Mary's best interests in mind, and with equity, flexibility and goodwill overall, and on such other matters and on such other terms as agreed between both parents.
That liberty be granted to either party to apply for variation to this parenting plan order.
DATED THIS DAY OF 1997
Signed:
__________________________ __________________________
Father - Daniel Jones Mother - Vanessa Jones
Signature of Witness Signature of Witness
__________________________ __________________________
Printed Name of Witness Printed Name of Witnes


http://www.aph.gov.au/SENATE/committee/legcon_ctte/completed_inquiries/2004-07/family_law/submissions/sub72.pdf

What Lindsay Really Thinks About Women

http://www.familylawwebguide.com.au/forum/pg/topicview/misc/3803/index.php&start=0&keep_session=856118787#first_unread

Lindsay Jackel aka Matrix aka Dad4Life cannot hide his hate for all women because his wife left him to become a lesbian. This has fuelled a lifetimes worth of hate for all women that cannot be stopped.

We really pity his daughter and believe the courts should have restricted his contact with her because his views amount to psychological abuse.

It's good to see him being honest on familylawwebguide for a change although as key member of Shared Parenting Council of Australia, they would have to be concerned that their views on women are becoming obvious to not only the public but also to the Australian government.

Lindsay Jackel a big believer in Richard Gardner the pedophile

Lindsay Jackel aka Matrix, aka Dad4life aka Mr Cut and Paste aka Mr Bitter and Twisted aka womanhater has taken to posting lots of stories on Familylawwebguide supporting the junk science PAS (Parental Alienation Syndrome) founded by crackpot pedophile Richard Gardner in the US. Co-incidentally Gardner went on to have a very successful career as an expert witness helping men prove PAS against mothers. (Of course according to Gardner it was usually the mothers who who were guilty of their children refusing to go with Daddy because he hurts them and they must have been lying right?)

Gardner had some wonderful things to say about children and women including:

“There is a bit of pedophilia in every one of us.”

Gardner, R.A. (1991). Sex Abuse Hysteria: Salem Witch Trials Revisited . Cresskill, NJ: Creative Therapeutics. (p. 118)

“Pedophilia has been considered the norm by the vast majority of individuals in the history of the world.” Gardner, R.A. (1992). True and False Accusations of Child Sex Abuse . Cresskill, NJ: Creative Therapeutics. (p. 592-3)

"Pedophilia “is a widespread and accepted practice among literally billions of people.”

Gardner, R.A. (1986). Child Custody Litigation: A Guide for Parents and Mental Health Professionals . Cresskill, NJ: Creative Therapeutics, (p. 93)

“Tell the child that sexual abuse by a father is normal”

Older children may be helped to appreciate that sexual encounters between an adult and a child are not universally considered to be reprehensible acts. The child might be told about other societies in which such behavior was and is considered normal. The child might be helped to appreciate the wisdom of Shakespeare’s Hamlet, who said, “Nothing’s either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”

Gardner, R.A. (1992). True and False Accusations of Child Sex Abuse . Cresskill, NJ: Creative Therapeutics.(p. 549)

No wonder Lindsay likes his theories, sounds just like Warren Farrell. (Aint nothing like a bit O' genital caressing eh? Oops did we say genital, sorry we mean't germinal, um gerberil, um sorry general caressing.)

Gardner committed suicide, well not just committed suicide but literally disembowelled himself and attacked himself with a knife and shredded himself. (You've got to have some serious shit going on in your head to be able to do that to yourself!)

And Lindsay you can't just pick and choose which theories you believe from this crackpot, believe one and you believe all. Richard Gardner also said:

”The vast majority (”probably over 95%”) of all sex abuse allegations are valid.”

Gardner, R.A. (1991). Sex Abuse Hysteria: Salem Witch Trials Revisited . Cresskill, NJ: Creative Therapeutics (pp. 7, 140).

Lindsay Jackel SPCA also supports pedophile comments

Lindsay Jackel Victorian Director of Shared Parenting Council is a staunch supporter of Warren Farrell who has been revealed for making pro pedophilic, incest and rape comments.
Warren Farrell said:

""We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting."

""When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200," says Farrell, "the incest is part of the family's open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. It is more likely that the father has good sex with his wife, and his wife is likely to know and approve -- and in one or two cases to join in."

"“the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection.”

"... the writer happened to be at his beach house alone with his attractive fifteen-year-old daughter.... His wife's appendix operation had curtailed his sex for the previous five months... the women on the beach and a few beers had led him into special temptation. When the daughter emerged from the bathroom in a towel, he greeted her in the nude and erect. Although he had never consciously desired incest before he told his daughter he missed sex. Without further prompting, she fellated him...Two weeks later the daughter walked around the house naked until the father approached her. That day he deflowered her to their mutual satisfaction. But the father was careful not to push things. He did not want to hurt his daughter, who seemed to have an active sex life with boys her own age. Several weeks later, the daughter took the initiative again... "

"First, because millions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and genitally caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn't. My book should at least begin the exploration."

""The average incest participant can't evaluate his or her experience for what it was. As soon as society gets into the picture, they have to tell themselves it was bad. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy."


http://justice4mothers.wordpress.com/trish-wilson-responds-to-warren-farrell/

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=dad4life+warren+farrell&hl=en&cr=countryAU&filter=0

Dad4life, matrix, manumit, nuance, J.L. are just some of Lindsay's aliases.

http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/farrell.htm

http://ginmar.livejournal.com/747900.htm

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/04/

Lindsay Jackel is a close ally and friend of Barry Williams of Lone Fathers Association who is also a key member of Shared parenting Council and he published in his NOOS newsletter the article that contained the following comments:

"Fathers need to touch and hold in affirming, non sexual ways. For daughters, sex and affection may become confused if not. This gives a gior greater physical self love, and a sense that she can be unconditionally loved by, men."


It seems there is a common thread amongst these men in not only actively supporting this pedophilic material (Jackel actively defends Farrell wherever he can and seemingly sponsored a visit to Australia by Farrell) but also distributing this material by way of newsletters and emails. Isn't that against the law?

See earlier posts and links about Jackel hanging out on Gay Classified websites and on other forums and his probing questions about males getting raped in jail.

Familylawwebguide hates MOTHERS!!!

Now that you've lost the funding why don't you all drop the facade? You don't have to pretend that you're a "Family" website anymore or are you all afraid that you will have to REPAY the funding due to the fraudulent applications and desperately trying to maintain that you are for fathers AND mothers when everybody knows that was garbage?
For every mother that posts for advice or help on that site (www.familylawwebguide.com.au which is a front for Mens Rights group Shared Parenting Council of Australia) there is only derision or blame. Every woman on there that isn't a stepmother is treated with disdain and AGOG (Michael Green ex QC and current woman hating mediator), OneRingRules (secretary of SPCA and has been accused of child sexual abuse so he hates all women as well) and then MikeT (alias the patronising and blind Mike Taylor) are the key players followed up by D4E (aka Padwithwings) with his whining "well it's your job to encourage the child to go to the abusers" attitude. D4Life aka extremely bitter and twisted Lindsay jackel because his wife left him for a lesbian follows in the rear with his nasty attitude. Conan,who is Peter Saxon has a particularly nasty attitude (and we all know what's in his past to make him like that!) is a poster that is sent in to go for the mother's jugular why they all stand around laughing.

Have you all not got the point by now, you can't INSIST that everyone who comes to the site has to read the entire thing. You obviously think your bullying can carry over into the cyber realm and have no comprehension of what is expected of a forum. The patronising "well you obviously haven't read through the site before you posted" garbage posted by Michael Green is extremely tedious and can only be construed as bullying. You have been accused numerous times of being arrogant and rude, maybe it's time to heed the warnings. You assume responsibility for the site in the guise of AGOG and SISYPHUS then you must also assume responsibility for how members are treated and should be ashamed of yourself.


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